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Re:suscribe NYTENANTS announce and discussions lists

Posted by Susan Stoltz on March 26, 1997 at 20:09:30:

In Reply to: NYTENANTS announce and discussions lists posted by TenantNet on March 22, 1997 at 09:15:00:

: =========================

: This message will tell you about the NYTENANTS mailing list
: and give you some basic information how to get on and off the list,
: how to send and receive messages and basic commands. Please save
: this message for future reference.

: =======

: First, if you're not from New York and are still looking for a
: general TENANTS mailing list, that will come soon, so send us a
: message at tenant -at- and we'll put you on the general Tenants
: list when it gets up. These lists are running on the Majordomo mailing list software,
: which is similar to Listserv.

: ===============

: It's really three lists:

: o NYTENANTS is the main list. It's a two-way discussion list operating on
: Majordomo software. Every time you post a message, it gets "exploded"
: out to the rest of the list where any subscriber can respond and their
: response is then exploded in a similar fashion.

: o NYTENANTS-DIGEST is essentially the same list in terms of content, but it
: works differently. Instead of having each and every message coming to you
: individually, the software "collects" the messages and at a pre-determined
: time (about once a day depending on traffic) you will receive a digest of
: that day's messages all in one big message. You can then read and/or reply
: to that day's messages all in one sitting. This is a much saner approach
: and we advise everyone to take advantage of the digest format. Everyone
: on the pre-existing list will be placed on the digest list.

: o NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE is a one-way list for announcements or alerts. If you're
: on either NYTENANTS or NYTENANTS-DIGEST, we will place you on NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE.

: Description and Policies
: ========================

: are for discussions about issues and problems facing New York City and New
: York State tenants, and the sharing of information.

: Examples of relevant topics include Rent Control, Rent Stabilization,
: other forms of rental housing, Housing Court, DHCR, political issues,
: landlords, etc.

: Examples of non-relevant issues include postings on apartment availability,
: queries by people looking for apartments, etc.

: Comments on particular landlords are permitted if they relate to their
: practice as a landlord, i.e., how they treat tenants and how they conduct
: their business or maintain their building(s). It should be remembered that a
: discussion list is an open canvas and that what is stated by list members
: is their opinion and not necessarily the opinion of TenantNet or any other
: list subscriber or reader.

: NYTENANTS is a MODERATED discussion list where all postings will be
: approved by the moderator. This policy is intended to filter out noise,
: spamming and to keep the level of discussion high. This is a forum for those
: with an interest in L&T issues and we hope the discussions will be of value
: to tenants and housing professionals. If you want the chaos of a democracy,
: or if you wish to rant and rave, go to Usenet. Approval by the moderator
: is based on appropriateness and not whether or not TenantNet agrees with
: the content of any particular message. The original poster is still
: responsible for the content.

: PLEASE NOTE: this is a discussion list and not a Question and Answer
: column. We have spent much time developing content on the web site and
: we encourage its usage. TenantNet will not respond to every query, and
: we encourage list members (especially those with L&T experience) to
: contribute and keep the discussions alive.

: If, in our opinion, a particular message is more appropriate for
: NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE, we will post the message to that list. We reserve
: the right to use our discretion in maintaining these lists and/or to
: amend these policies at any time.

: BOUNCES occur when a list message gets returned for a variety of
: reasons, i.e., the list member's email address is no longer active,
: they have a vacation message on, their mailbox is full (on some of those
: awful gateways). This is a problem for mailing list programs as the
: bounced message can then explode back to everyone else creating a
: non-ending loop. As the list is moderated, we hope to catch these problems
: before they occur. If we receive several bounces from your email address,
: we'll probably drop you from the list and it will be your responsibility
: to resubscribe and retrieve the archives to find out what you missed.

: Archives
: ========

: All messages to the list will be archived (if you have trouble,
: let us know). The archives are available via Majordomo using the "get"
: command (send "help" in the body of a message to ""
: for more info). The archives are broken down by year and month, and are
: stored in files named "nytenants.YYMM".

: Frequently-Asked Questions (FAQ) and other Files
: ================================================

: Although not operational yet, we anticipate you will be able to
: get the Tenant FAQ and other basic files by sending an e-mail message to with "get file filename" in the body of the message.

: The Tenants FAQ is available on TENANTNET which you may access via
: the World-Wide Web at You will find that TenantNet
: contains much information on Landlord-Tenant issues, particularly relating
: to New York.

: TENANTNET also maintains a web-based bulletin board system where public
: messages may be posted, at In the
: future we hope to combine the bulletin board and these mailing lists. If
: you do not have web access, we might (and we emphasize "might") be able to
: help you via email at tenant -at- We strongly discourage individual
: case questions via email as we simply do not have the time to respond to
: every query.

: ============

: At the present time we can not distinguish between those who have interest
: in NYC issues from other areas of the state. If there's enough interest, we
: could be persuaded to create a separate NYS list. Once we work out any bugs
: on NYTENANTS, we do plan a general TENANTS list covering just about everywhere
: else. If there's enough interest, we might be persuaded to create other
: specific-interest lists, i.e., California, Boston, Housing Professionals,
: Organizers, Tenant Attorneys.

: Basic Commands
: ==============

: Please save this message for future reference, especially if you are not
: familiar with Majordomo mailing lists. In 6 months you will be glad you saved
: this information.

: ===========

: To SUBSCRIBE to one of the lists, send email to
: and in the body (not the subject line) of the message, indicate one of the
: following:

: For NYTENANTS-DIGEST subscribe nytenants-digest your-email
: For NYTENANTS subscribe nytenants your-email
: For NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE subscribe nytenants-announce your-email

: A typical line would read: "subscribe nytenants-digest". Please
: do not put your real name where you should put your email address. After your
: subscription request is approved by the moderator, you will be notified. If you
: encounter any difficulties, please send us email at tenant -at-

: The default subscription will be to NYTENANTS-DIGEST and you will also be added to NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE.

: UNSUBSCRIBE - to get off the list
: ==================================

: You may leave the list at any time by sending one of the three following
: messages (depending on which list you're on) in the BODY of your message to

: For NYTENANTS-DIGEST unsubscribe nytenants-digest your-email
: For NYTENANTS unsubscribe nytenants your-email
: For NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE unsubscribe nytenants-announce your-email

: Sending Mail to the List or Replying:
: =====================================

: To send a message to all the people currently subscribed to the list,
: just send mail to (for both NYTENANTS and
: NYTENANTS-DIGEST. This is called "sending mail to the list", because
: you send mail to a single address and Majordomo makes copies for all
: the people who have subscribed. This address ( is
: also called the "list address". You must never send any command to that
: address, as it would be distributed to all the people who have subscribed.
: All commands must be sent to the Majordomo address,
: It is very important to understand the difference between the two, but
: fortunately it is not complicated.

: Just Remember This:
: ===================

: - Commands such as subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. should be directed to the
: list server:

: - Messages (for both NYTENANTS and NYTENANTS-DIGEST) should be
: sent to the list itself at the address

: Here is the HELP file for the Majordomo mailing list manager
: ============================================================

: In the description below items contained in []'s are optional. When
: providing the item, do not include the []'s around it. Items in angle
: brackets, such as

, are meta-symbols that should be replaced
: by appropriate text without the angle brackets.

: Majordomo ( understands the following commands:

: subscribe [

: Subscribe yourself (or
if specified) to the named .
: unsubscribe [
: Unsubscribe yourself (or
if specified) from the named .
: "unsubscribe *" will remove you (or
) from all lists. This
: _may not_ work if you have subscribed using multiple addresses.

: get
: Get a file related to .

: index
: Return an index of files you can "get" for .

: which [

: Find out which lists you (or
if specified) are on.
: (currently disabled)

: who
: Find out who is on the named .
: (currently disabled)

: info
: Retrieve the general introductory information for the named .

: intro
: Retrieve the introductory message sent to new users. Non-subscribers
: may not be able to retrieve this.

: lists
: Show the lists served by this Majordomo server.

: help
: Retrieve this message.

: end
: Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature).

: Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to
: "". Multiple commands can be processed provided
: each occurs on a separate line and you should put an "end" command on the final line.

: Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed.

: =====================================================
: If you have any questions or problems, please contact
: "" or tenant -at-

: [end of file]

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