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NYTENANTS announce and discussions lists

Posted by TenantNet on March 22, 1997 at 09:15:00:


This message will tell you about the NYTENANTS mailing list
and give you some basic information how to get on and off the list,
how to send and r eceive messages and basic commands. Please save
this message for future reference.


First, if you're not from New York and are still looking for a
general TENANTS mailing list, that will come soon, so send us a
messa ge at tenant -at- and we'll put you on the general Tenants
list when it gets up. These lists are running on the Majordomo mailing list software,
which is similar to Listserv.


It's really three lists:

o NYTENANTS is the main list. It's a two-way discussion list operating on
Majordomo software. Every time you post a message, it gets "exploded"
out to the rest of the list where any subscriber can respond and their
respons e is then exploded in a similar fashion.

o NYTENANTS-DIGEST is essentially the same list in terms of content, but it
works differently. Instead of having each and every message coming to you
individually, the software "collects" th e messages and at a pre-determined
time (about once a day depending on traffic) you will receive a digest of
that day's messages all in one big message. You can then read and/or reply
to that day's messages all in one sitting. T his is a much saner approach
and we advise everyone to take advantage of the digest format. Everyone
on the pre-existing list will be placed on the digest list.

o NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE is a one-way list for announcements or alerts. I f you're

Description and Policies

are for discussi ons about issues and problems facing New York City and New
York State tenants, and the sharing of information.

Examples of relevant topics include Rent Control, Rent Stabilization,
other forms of rental housing, Housing Court, DHCR, politic al issues,
landlords, etc.

Examples of non-relevant issues include postings on apartment availability,
queries by people looking for apartments, etc.

Comments on particular landlords are permitted if they relate to their
practice as a landlord, i.e., how they treat tenants and how they conduct
their business or maintain their building(s). It should be remembered that a
discussion list is an open canvas and that what is stated by list members
is their opinion and not ne cessarily the opinion of TenantNet or any other
list subscriber or reader.

NYTENANTS is a MODERATED discussion list where all postings will be
approved by the moderator. This policy is intended to filter out noise,
spamming and to keep the level of discussion high. This is a forum for those
with an interest in L&T issues and we hope the discussions will be of value
to tenants and housing professionals. If you want the chaos of a democracy,
or if you wish to rant and rave, go to Usenet. Approval by the moderator
is based on appropriateness and not whether or not TenantNet agrees with
the content of any particular message. The original poster is still
responsible for the content.

PLEASE NOTE: this is a discussi on list and not a Question and Answer
column. We have spent much time developing content on the web site and
we encourage its usage. TenantNet will not respond to every query, and
we encourage list members (especially those with L&T experience ) to
contribute and keep the discussions alive.

If, in our opinion, a particular message is more appropriate for
NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE, we will post the message to that list. We reserve
the right to use our discretion in maintaining these lists and/or to
amend these policies at any time.

BOUNCES occur when a list message gets returned for a variety of
reasons, i.e., the list member's email address is no longer active,
they have a vacation message on, their mailbox is ful l (on some of those
awful gateways). This is a problem for mailing list programs as the
bounced message can then explode back to everyone else creating a
non-ending loop. As the list is moderated, we hope to catch these problems
before the y occur. If we receive several bounces from your email address,
we'll probably drop you from the list and it will be your responsibility
to resubscribe and retrieve the archives to find out what you missed.


All messag es to the list will be archived (if you have trouble,
let us know). The archives are available via Majordomo using the "get"
command (send "help" in the body of a message to ""
for more info). The archives are broken d own by year and month, and are
stored in files named "nytenants.YYMM".

Frequently-Asked Questions (FAQ) and other Files

Although not operational yet, we anticipate you will be able to
ge t the Tenant FAQ and other basic files by sending an e-mail message to with "get file filename" in the body of the message.

The Tenants FAQ is available on TENANTNET which you may access via
the World-Wide Web at http: // You will find that TenantNet
contains much information on Landlord-Tenant issues, particularly relating
to New York.

TENANTNET also maintains a web-based bulletin board system where public
messages may be posted, at http: // In the
future we hope to combine the bulletin board and these mailing lists. If
you do not have web access, we might (and we emphasize "might") be able to
help you via email at tenant -at- We strongly discourage individual
case questions via email as we simply do not have the time to respond to
every query.


At the present time we can not distinguish between those who have interest
in NYC issues from o ther areas of the state. If there's enough interest, we
could be persuaded to create a separate NYS list. Once we work out any bugs
on NYTENANTS, we do plan a general TENANTS list covering just about everywhere
else. If there's enough interest , we might be persuaded to create other
specific-interest lists, i.e., California, Boston, Housing Professionals,
Organizers, Tenant Attorneys.

Basic Commands

Please save this message for future reference, especially if you are not
familiar with Majordomo mailing lists. In 6 months you will be glad you saved
this information.


To SUBSCRIBE to one of the lists, send email to
and in the body (not the subject line) of the message, indicate one of the

For NYTENANTS-DIGEST subscribe nytenants-digest your-email
For NYTENANTS subscribe nytenants your-email
For NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE subscribe nytenants-announ ce your-email

A typical line would read: "subscribe nytenants-digest". Please
do not put your real name where you should put your email address. After your
subscription request is approved by the moderator, you will be notified. If you
encounter any difficulties, please send us email at tenant -at-

The default subscription will be to NYTENANTS-DIGEST and you will also be added to NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE.

UNSUBSCRIBE - to get off the list
============================= =====

You may leave the list at any time by sending one of the three following
messages (depending on which list you're on) in the BODY of your message to

For NYTENANTS-DIGEST unsubscribe nytenants-digest you r-email
For NYTENANTS unsubscribe nytenants your-email
For NYTENANTS-ANNOUNCE unsubscribe nytenants-announce your-email

Sending Mail to the List or Replying:

To send a message to all the people currently subscribed to the list,
just send mail to (for both NYTENANTS and
NYTENANTS-DIGEST. This is called "sending mail to the list", because
you send mail to a single address and Majordomo makes co pies for all
the people who have subscribed. This address ( is
also called the "list address". You must never send any command to that
address, as it would be distributed to all the people who have subscribed.
Al l commands must be sent to the Majordomo address,
It is very important to understand the difference between the two, but
fortunately it is not complicated.

Just Remember This:

- Commands such as subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. should be directed to the
list server:

- Messages (for both NYTENANTS and NYTENANTS-DIGEST) should be
sent to the list itself at the address

Here is the HELP file for the Majordomo mailing list manager

In the description below items contained in []'s are optional. When
providing the item, do not include the []'s around it. Items in angle
brackets, such as <address>, are meta-symbols that should be replaced
by appropriate text without the angle brackets.

Majordomo ( understands the following commands:

subscribe <list> [<address>]
Subscribe yourself (or <address> if specified) to the named <list>.

unsubscribe <list> [<address>]
Unsubscribe yourself (or <address> if specified) from the named <list>.
"unsubscribe *" will remove you (or <address>) from all lists. This
_may not_ work if you have subscribed using multiple addresses.

get <list> <filename>
Get a file related to <list>.

index <list>
Return an index of files you can "get" for <list>.

which [<address>]
Find out which lists you (or <address> if specified) are on.
(currently disabled)

who <list>
Find out who is on the named <list>.
(currently disabled)

info <list>
Retrieve the general introductory information for the named <list>.

intro <list>
Retrieve the introductory message sent to new users. Non-subscribers
may not be able to retrieve this.

Show the lists served by this Majordomo server.

Retrieve this message.

Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature).

Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to
"". Multiple commands can be processed provided
each occurs on a separate line and yo u should put an "end" command on the final line.

Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed.

If you have any questions or problems, please contact
"" or tenant@

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