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Posted by dj on August 20, 2001 at 14:43:02:

In Reply to: Re: are there any TENANTS here to answer question about holdover eviction posted by Elizabeth on August 20, 2001 at 08:19:47:

YES most of us are tenants, but we wont help you to DEFRAUD your landlord!!!!!

If you had given us some dirt, or harassment, or sexual advances, or threats, or cutting off services.........anything dirty, Illegal and nasty, we would ALL be on your side..

BUT the landlord has done nothing except give you a nice place to live, and this is how you repay them.

: Are there any TENANTS on this board? I have lived in NY for over 15 years and all I've ever heard is that it is nearly impossible, difficult, and time consuming to evict someone and that the courts are very lenient towards tenants.

: I want to know from TENANTS who have been through the courts, if this is true.

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: : I suppose you also ask, on other forums, how to shoplift items from stores and get away with it ? And I suppose that when you go to a restaurant, you look for ways to weasle out of paying a tip or the bill itself (after all, food is a necessity and should just be provided to you free, never mind the time and effort it takes to prepare, right ?)

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: : You're asking us how to prolong your stay in an apartment you don't like by screwing over a landlord who lives one floor below you. You've been told that not only will you lose, but you'll also suffer legal expenses, possible higher rent, an eviction, bad credit. Plus an awfully angry landlord living in the same house as you.

: : I won't go into more detail about what can happen to you, as others have. But I will add that you are a sleaze for even asking us. So go ahead and do whatever you want. You'll suffer the consequences you deserve.

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: : : What the book doesn't cover is what goes on after a court date is set. It also doesn't cover whether rent, or as you point out, use and occupancy, must be paid.

: : : Frankly, people are suggesting that I just sit it out and let the landlord evict me because I won't have to pay rent during the time (I am going to consult a lawyer, but I really, really want to hear some real life experiences from tenants who've gone through court).

: : : I know he has a lawyer so I expect he will do it according to the letter of the law, so if I can't raise issue of improper service, will I have only 6 months from the court date?

: : : *Please* tell me, does it ever happen that a judge will say no use and occupany payment is due during the stay?

: : : And can the six months be extended?

: : : Thanks,
: : : Elizabeth

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: : : : By law, a judge can give you a maximum stay of six months, but can give you less time.

: : : : You would probably be ordered to pay use and occupancy, instead of rent, during the period of the stay. That could be the same as your current rent, or might be higher if the landlord can prove that the market rent is higher.

: : : : But the landlord has to properly and timely have you served with a notice of termination before he can proceed to housing court, and the Notice of Petition and Petition have to be served properly. If you raise the issue of service of the notice of termination and/or the court papers, the court proceedings could drag on for several months.
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:   YES  most of us are tenants, but we wont help you to DEFRAUD your landlord!!!!!

:   If you had given us some dirt, or harassment, or sexual advances, or threats,  or cutting off services.........anything dirty, Illegal and nasty, we would ALL be on your side..

:  BUT the landlord has done nothing except give you a nice place to live, and this is how you repay them.  


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: : Are there any TENANTS on this board? I have lived in NY for over 15 years and all I've ever heard is that it is nearly impossible, difficult, and time consuming to evict someone and that the courts are very lenient towards tenants.

: : I want to know from TENANTS who have been through the courts, if this is true.  

: : 
: : *****************

: : : I suppose you also ask, on other forums, how to shoplift items from stores and get away with it ?  And I suppose that when you go to a restaurant, you look for ways to weasle out of paying a tip or the bill itself (after all, food is a necessity and should just be provided to you free, never mind the time and effort it takes to prepare, right ?)

: : 
: : : You're asking us how to prolong your stay in an apartment you don't like by screwing over a landlord who lives one floor below you.  You've been told that not only will you lose, but you'll also suffer legal expenses, possible higher rent, an eviction, bad credit.  Plus an awfully angry landlord living in the same house as you.  

: : : I won't go into more detail about what can happen to you, as others have.  But I will add that you are a sleaze for even asking us.  So go ahead and do whatever you want.  You'll suffer the consequences you deserve. 

: : 
: : : : What the book doesn't cover is what goes on after a court date is set.  It also doesn't cover whether rent, or as you point out, use and occupancy, must be paid.

: : : : Frankly,  people are suggesting that I just sit it out and let the landlord evict me because I won't have to pay rent during the time (I am going to consult a lawyer, but I really,  really want to hear some real life experiences from tenants who've gone through court).  

: : : : I know he has a lawyer so I expect he will do it according to the letter of the law,  so if I can't raise issue of improper service, will I have only 6 months from the court date?

: : : : *Please* tell me, does it ever happen that a judge will say no use and occupany payment is due during the stay?

: : : : And can the six months be extended?

: : : : Thanks,
: : : : Elizabeth

: : : : *************

: : : : : By law, a judge can give you a maximum stay of six months, but can give you less time.  

: : : : : You would probably be ordered to pay use and occupancy, instead of rent, during the period of the stay.  That could be the same as your current rent, or might be higher if the landlord can prove that the market rent is higher.  

: : : : : But the landlord has to properly and timely have you served with a notice of termination before he can proceed to housing court, and the Notice of Petition and Petition have to be served properly.  If you raise the issue of service of the notice of termination and/or the court papers, the court proceedings could drag on for several months.  
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