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Posted by Bob on January 25, 2001 at 18:42:58:

In Reply to: Re: becuase a contract is a private agreement between two parties and in a free country posted by Charlie on January 25, 2001 at 01:28:42:

: I have major philosophical objections to a governmental agency dictating what my annual rent increases should be, or dictating ANY terms of my lease.

Surprise! some of those clauses are "dictated" even for non-regulated leases...

: I am quite capable of negotiating my own lease terms and will live under no other.

Sso? do it: there are 1.2 million regulated apartments here and 1.2 non-regulated apartments. Rent the latter.

: As Vice President pointed out, its thanks to rent stabilization that the rest of NYC housing is so expensive.

An uninformed urban legend: read more on http://www.tenant.net/

: In any case, I don't see an apartment as any place I would stay longer than couple of years or so. I plan to buy my own place when I want to settle down later on; anyone with half a brain and a job would do that rather than pay rent forever.

Right: tens of millions of people who have lived in NYC and other cities in apartments all their lives do so because they're dimwitted, not because central cities are primarily comprosed of multiple dwellings...

: I guess I have no choice but to take this apartment rent stabilized or keep looking.

ps: you can negotiate on this apartment: your landlord is allowed to charge you less than the maximum rent and less than the maximum annual increases. landlord can provide you free of charge with a new frost-free fridge or a/c, heat when it's above 55 out, etc.
: : but see the country is free everywhere but here Charlie, New York is more of a Social State.

: : What the city is going to "force" on you is going to be a lot better then what a landlord is going to force on you in a deregulated apartment.

: : The landlord is an honest man, he has told you the absolute truth, if he tried to cut a private lease with you on the side he would be acting illegally and it could come back to bite him on the @$$. You are a very cocky, probably young, fellow (I like that). But, if you think you can find better terms negotiating with a landlord privately, then just taking the cities (always under the CPI) increases, then you need to study harder.

: : Are you really so convinced of your skillful prowness to negotiate leases.

: : Good Luck Charlie, always glad to meet another Capilist living in Socialist territory

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: :  I have major philosophical objections to a governmental agency dictating what my annual rent increases should be, or dictating ANY terms of my lease.

: Surprise! some of those clauses are "dictated" even for non-regulated leases...

: :  I am quite capable of negotiating my own lease terms and will live under no other.

: Sso? do it: there are 1.2 million regulated apartments here and 1.2 non-regulated apartments.  Rent the latter.

: : As Vice President pointed out, its thanks to rent stabilization that the rest of NYC housing is so expensive.

: An uninformed urban legend: read more on http://www.tenant.net/

: : In any case, I don't see an apartment as any place I would stay longer than couple of years or so.  I plan to buy my own place when I want to settle down later on; anyone with half a brain and a job would do that rather than pay rent forever.

: Right: tens of millions of people who have lived in NYC and other cities in apartments all their lives do so because they're dimwitted, not because central cities are primarily comprosed of multiple dwellings...

: : I guess I have no choice but to take this apartment rent stabilized or keep looking.

: 
: ps: you can negotiate on this apartment: your landlord is allowed to charge you less than the maximum rent and less than the maximum annual increases.  landlord can provide you free of charge with a new frost-free fridge or a/c, heat when it's above 55 out, etc.
: : : but see the country is free everywhere but here Charlie, New York is more of a Social State.

: : : What the city is going to "force" on you is going to be a lot better then what a landlord is going to force on you in a deregulated apartment.

: : : The landlord is an honest man, he has told you the absolute truth, if he tried to cut a private lease with you on the side he would be acting illegally and it could come back to bite him on the @$$. You are a very cocky, probably young, fellow (I like that). But, if you think you can find better terms negotiating with a landlord privately, then just taking the cities (always under the CPI) increases, then you need to study harder.

: : : Are you really so convinced of your skillful prowness to negotiate leases.

: : : Good Luck Charlie, always glad to meet another Capilist living in Socialist territory


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